NIST: “… we are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.”
C O L L A P S E ?
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COVERUP AT GROUND ZERO:
Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the “official investigation” blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. --Bill Manning, Fire Engineering Magazine
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THE JET FUEL; HOW HOT DID IT HEAT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER?
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“The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel.”
--Thomas Eagar
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Read on for ultimate confusion -- and perhaps some answers ...
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"They showed us many fascinating slides" [Eaton] continued, "ranging from molten
metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared
and bent in the disaster". --Structural Engineer, 3. september, 2002, s. 6
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"Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel." --Alison Geyh, PhD
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Molten Metal Flows at Ground Zero (video)
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Extremely hot metal at ground zero (video)
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Molten Metal Pours from South Tower
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Eyewitness accounts: Molten metal
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"The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing." --NIST, Answers to FAQ, pt. 13
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“...we are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.” --NIST
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"... the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable." --James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
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"Steven Jones’ call for a “serious investigation” of the hypothesis that the WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down . . . through the use of pre-positioned cutter-charges” must be the rallying cry for all building design experts to speak out." --Max Ayres
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Architects & Engineers calling for a new investigation
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“When everyone is to blame . . . no one is to blame.”
“[The] American people shared the blame for 9-11 for underestimating the terrorist threat.” --Condoleezza Rice
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The 9/11 Whitewash: Blaming No One
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"Du kan kalle meg
konspirasjonsteoretiker, hvis du
kaller alle andre
tilfeldighetsteoretiker. Jeg
foretrekker å si at jeg er en
alternativ historiker.”
--John
Judge
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Afghanistan? Bevis som legitimerer krigen, takk.
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Powell/Blair-dossieret: "This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Usama Bin Laden in a court of law."
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George Bush, Jr., September 11th and the Rule of Law--Professor Francis Boyle
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NO WAR AGAINST AFGHANISTAN!--Professor Francis Boyle
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"They have spent $13 trillion tax dollars since the end of WWII on this military/intelligence complex, and it cannot protect its own headquarters?... How were they allowed to come into the most restricted air space in the world with no challenge or defense? That is the question that answers both when Bush knew in advance and begs any rational response." --John Judge
"I wouldn't call it fascism exactly, but [an American] political system nominally controlled by an irresponsible, dumbed down electorate who are manipulated by dishonest, cynical, controlled mass media that dispense the propaganda of a corrupt political establishment can hardly be described as democracy either."
--Edward Zehr
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“The more status someone has in this society, the harder it is for them to listen to suggestions that there is something illegitimate about the power structure in which they have that status.” --Peter Dale Scott
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“Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring” –-Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal, 1950
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"No people can be both ignorant and free."
--Thomas Jefferson
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‘The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account.’ -- Walter Lippman
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Etter at jeg leste Peter Dale Scotts bok “The Road to 9/11” hvor Continuity of Government (COG) er et av hovedtemaene, var det uunngåelig å ikke tenke tanken, “Var 9/11 et coup d’Etat – i tillegg til andre ting?” Mye peker i den retning. Spekulasjon selvfølgelig, men substansiell.
“A coup consists of the infiltration of a small but critical segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder.”
-Edward Luttwak
. . . A while back I found a piece of information that really gave credence to my strongest suspicions that the ‘terrorist’ attacks of 9/11/01 were used as cover for an actual coup d’etat by a rogue network of fifth columnists and their multi-national foreign allies who then utilized the (C.O.G) Continuity Of Government infrastructure to effectively seize control of the United States which would effectively render the actual attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as not even the greatest crimes of that particular day. . .
They have spent $13 trillion tax dollars since the end of WWII on this military/intelligence complex, and it cannot protect its own headquarters?
It can track every electronic communication on earth, crack the codes of the Al Quaeda in advance of 9-11, locate bin Laden’s cell phone, but it can’t decipher what it all means?
And beyond that question is the more pertinent one hardly anyone is asking.
Bush clearly and undeniably had advance knowledge of a terrorist attack on US soil using planes as weapons by 9:05 am on September 11.
NORAD had it by 8:45 in an unprecedented simultaneous hijacking of four planes.
The Pentagon had it, as did everyone in DC by 9:05 as well.
The Pentagon began to evacuate the building, as did the White House and Capitol.
EVERYONE had advance knowledge of Flight 77 coming towards DC for 40 minutes.
Del 2 var også interessant, men nokså rotete og med mye støy. Følg lenke for mer info et al.
Carol Broulliet had a great 2-hour show last night, with Kevin Ryan, architect Richard Gage, AIA, and Engineers: Ron Brookman, S.E., Kamal Obeid, S.E. and Scott Grainger, PE, all signees of the AE911Truth.org Petition.
Det handler ikke om kreasjonisme, UFO, små grønne menn ved navn Elvis, ingen-fly-teorier eller energistråler fra verdensrommet. Det handler ikke om knasking av LSD eller hasjrøyking eller avsindige intergalaktiske eskapistfantasier.
Det handler om faktasjekking.
Man trenger verken være ingeniør, fysiker, konspirasjonsteoretiker, rusbruker – eller et politisk geni – for å forstå at det er noe riv ruskende galt med den offisielle 9/11-historien, slik den har blitt oss fortalt. Enhver som ikke er psykologisk inhabil – eller på et eller annet vis agendastyrt – vil svært raskt se dette.
Om fakta sjekkes, that is …
En av de mer dramatiske hendelsene i det 21. århundre – med dyptpløyende og katastrofale ringvirkninger – og vi har ikke fått tilfredsstillende svar. I mange tilfeller har vi ikke fått svar i det hele tatt.
Kriger har blitt startet. Av det “evigvarende” slaget, om vi lytter til BushCo. Folk dør den dag i dag grunnet 9/11. Med Norges hjelp.
Og jo, BushCo brukte 9/11 aktivt for å selge det usamerikanske folk Irak-invasjonen. Løgn – detogså.
“Bevisene” som bragte oss til Afghanistan og “bevisene” for 9/11, er to sider av samme sak.
Trenger ingen konspirasjonsteori for å mene det.
“This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Usama Bin Laden in a court of law.”
Ikke bra nok for rettssalen, men åpenbart mer enn godt nok for invasjon, drap og demonisering.
Hurra for oss – i den “siviliserte” delen av verden.
Vi vet ikke hva som skjedde den dagen, 11. september 2001. Med vi mener jeg oss alle, minus de faktisk skyldige. Men “vi” dreper som en følge av hendelsen. Uholdbart, etter min mening. Krig og drap er uholdbart åkkesåm – og på falske premiss direkte røti.
Trenger ingen konspirasjonsteori for å mene det.
Massiv overvåkning har blitt iverksatt. Og skal øyensynlig eskaleres. Mer enn trolig på falske premiss. Gufs …
“Store konspirasjoner skjer ikke,” sier folk. “Nei vel,” sier jeg, “og hva var opptakten til Irak-krigen?”
“There is only one difference between the evidence showing the Bush administration’s criminal culpability in and foreknowledge of the attacks of 9/11, and the evidence showing that the administration deceived the American public about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. Both sets of evidence are thoroughly documented. They are irrefutable and based upon government records and official statements and actions shown to be false, misleading or dishonest. And both sets of evidence are unimpeachable. The difference is that the evidence showing the Iraqi deception is being seriously and widely investigated by the mainstream press, and actively by an ever-increasing number of elected representatives. That’s it.”
- Mike Ruppert, Beyond Bush
For godt dokumenterte opplysninger / fakta, som tegner et radikalt anderledes hendelsesforløp enn den offisielle 9/11-konspirasjonsteorien (OKT – nesten den villeste av dem alle!), anbefaler jeg Paul Thompsons Complete 9/11 Timeline (Cooperative Research).
Tidslinjen er lang, detaljert og stadig voksende, men kan innsnevres – eller utvides – etter ønske og behov. (Den svært gode dokumentarfilmen Press for Truth er i stor grad basert på Thompsons tidslinje.) Før man har lest denne, bør man ikke avfeie alternative syn på 9/11 som konspirasjonsteori. Ekteskeptikere gjør ikke det. Etter min – og andres – mening.
Magefølelse og psykologisk inhabilitet er ikke argumenter som holder vann.
Numerous structural engineers now publicly challenge the government’s account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11, including:
A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition. . . .
This is a very good, insightful, and logical essay. The problem is that the logical fallacies that are illuminated are clinged to by persons acting under the emotional compulsion of fear. I have friends who are scientists, and are therefore conversant with the scientific method, but are none-the-less overwhelmed by fear when it comes to actually looking at 9/11. To really look at 9/11 one must be open to the idea that one’s own trusted “protectors” have not only brutually murdered their own countrymen, but have engineered these brutal atrocities as a springboard to launch more brutal atrocities on their fellow human beings (not to mention the animals and plants that get poisoned and incinerated in the process). AND even more frightening is the acceptance of the fact that YOU and I and our families and friends, mean nothing at all to the people who orchestrated and carried out 9/11 — absolutely nothing.
To actually contemplate that this is the world that one lives in, is simply too much for a great many people to bear – notwithstanding the fact that those people may be scientists, or hold other positions requiring the exercise of logic.
So, this is a very good essay for those who are not blinded by fear. But fear and emotion trumps reason – and that is the problem. Before one can let this in, fear must be dispelled.
The fact is, that in a material sense, this is a fearful world. All material – even mountain ranges, suns and galaxies are subject to dissolution. The only real antidote to fear cannot be found in science or logic or rationality. The only real antidote to fear is Faith. Faith in what? That is up to each of us, as individuals to discover.
This week’s debate on Air America’s “Clout” with Richard Greene is destined to be a special one. As it stands right now, the two confirmed “pro-Truth” guests to appear are Kyle Hence, and John Judge, the founders of 9/11 CitizensWatch. Citizenswatch was a watchdog group of the 9/11 Commission that worked alongside the 9/11 Family Steering Committee. Along with the families, they called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, and at one point, they started an advertising campaign “demanding that Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Gore and Rice testify publicly, and under oath before the commission.” They ran “billboard advertisements in the Washington metro rail system for four weeks, as well as quarter-page ads in The Washington Post.” Thus far the one confirmed guest who does NOT agree that we need another investigation is Daniel Pinchbeck, the author of 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, Tarcher, 2006 and editorial director of the web magazine, Reality Sandwich. Daniel’s position is that we need to move forward, not back.
Kyle Hence is the Executive Producer of “9/11: Press For Truth”, and “In Their Own Words: The Untold Stories Of the 9/11 Families”. John Judge has worked as the Special Projects Assistant to Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, has been a member of COPA for years, and is writing a critique of the 9/11 Commission Final Report for the 9/11 Research Center.
There are very few people in the world today that understand the problems with the 9/11 Commission as John and Kyle do. Please tell your friends, and family to listen in. As I said, this show is destined to be a special one.
The idea that no 757 crashed at the Pentagon is easily the most controversial and divisive issue among researchers of the 9/11/01 attacks. Effectively promoted since early 2002, this idea has enjoyed an increasing acceptance in the 9/11 Truth Movement, despite its blatant incompatibility with the extensive body of eyewitness evidence that a 757-like twin-engine jetliner flew into the Pentagon and exploded.
Many researchers have ignored or dismissed this eyewitness evidence in favor of a seemingly overwhelming physical evidence case that no 757 crashed at the Pentagon, based on photographs of the crash site. As I show below, however, each of the pieces of evidence adduced in favor of the no-757-crash theory can be reconciled with the crash of a 757.
The controversy over this issue has eclipsed the many documented facts linking the 9/11/01 attacks to insiders. Defenders of the official story have seized on this issue as representative of the gullibility and incompetence of 9/11 “conspiracy theorists.”
In this essay I look exclusively at the physical evidence of the Pentagon attack — post-crash photographs and verifiable information about the building, the Boeing 757-200 aircraft, and the physics of aircraft crashes based on case studies. In some cases I mention elements of eyewitness accounts, but only to frame my analysis of what the photographs show about the crash. I show that the physical evidence is consistent with the crash of a 757, noting flaws in popular arguments to the contrary.
The many eyewitness accounts of the Pentagon attack constitute a rich body of evidence that strongly supports the conclusion that the attack plane was either a Boeing 757 or a very similar aircraft. The physical and eyewitness evidence are thus mutually corroborating, a fact that is obscured by common errors in evaluating the physical evidence. Many researchers have dismissed the body of eyewitness evidence out of hand, primarily for two reasons:
This is a very short clip that explains some of the problems the families had in believing the identities of the hijackers, and the problems they had with the FBI’s ineptitude, and unwillingness to answer questions from the movie, “In Their Own Words: The Untold Stories Of The 9/11 Families“.
When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.
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Dr. Scott,
You gave an absolutely brilliant performance tonight. You proved beyond the shadow of doubt that “Knowledge Is Power”. Thank you for your contribution to this country, and to this planet. It is an absolutely priceless one.
Sincerest Regards,
Jon Gold
That is the email I sent Dr. Scott after last night’s performance. This is not the entire show from yesterday. I thought Dr. Scott should get the “spotlight”.
Historians and government officials who claim that Washington didn’t have a foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack have always contended that America wasn’t intercepting and hadn’t cracked Japan’s important military codes in the months and days preceding the attack. The crux of your book is that your research proves that is absolutely untrue. We were reading most all of Japan’s radio messages. Correct?
Stinnett: That is correct. And I believed that, too. You know, because, Life magazine in September 1945, right after Japan surrendered, suggested that this was the case, that Roosevelt engineered Pearl Harbor. But that was discarded as an anti-Roosevelt tract, and I believed it, also.
Another claim at the heart of the Pearl Harbor surprise-attack lore is that Japan’s ships kept radio silence as they approached Hawaii. That’s absolutely untrue, also?
Stinnett: That is correct. And this was all withheld from Congress, so nobody knew about all this.
Until the Freedom of Information Act.
Stinnett: Yes.
Is this statement true?—If America was intercepting and decoding Japan’s military messages then Washington and FDR knew that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor.
Stinnett: Oh, absolutely.
You feel it’s as simple as that?
Stinnett: That is right. And that was their plan. It was their “overt act of war” plan that I talk about in my book that President Roosevelt adopted on October 7, 1940.
Ingen burde bli sjokkert over hvordan Den norske stat behandler krigsforbrytere. Den samarbeider jo tett med de største krigsforbryterene av alle. Hemmelighold burde heller ikke sjokkere i vårt “åpne og frie” demokrati. Hurra for Orwell.
Om BushCo noensinne får sin straff kan sikkert krigskompisane her på haugen tilby dem en helt grei deal.
Zoran Vukovic ble dømt til 12 års fengsel i Haag for forbrytelser mot menneskeheten. Etter mindre enn 6 år i norsk fengsel er han nå løslatt i all hemmelighet.
This past weekend at the NE 9/11 Truth Symposium, Kyle Hence elaborated on the put options that were purchased prior to 9/11. I recommended to the audience to watch “In Their Own Words: The Untold Stories Of The 9/11 Families” because there was a good clip about the put options in it. This is that clip. 9/11 Family Members Lorie Van Auken, Monica Gabrielle, Bob McIlvaine, Mindy Kleinberg, and Patty Casazza make an appearance.
Is a government guilty of terrorism if it harbors known terrorists? What should one say about a country that permits open fund-raising on behalf of a terrorist implicated in the mass killing of civilians?
What about a government that secretly arms a guerrilla army that wantonly kills and abuses civilians while seeking to overthrow an elected government?
If your answer to those questions is to recite George W. Bush’s dictum that a government that harbors or helps terrorists should be punished just like the terrorists, then you must turn your wrath on the U.S. government and the Bush family — guilty on all the above points. . . .
Hvorfor holde oss til det vi vet, når vi kan gjette oss til det vi ikke vet?
9/11-sannhet i Norge er i ferd med å drukne i spekulasjon, feilinfo og regelrett desinfo. Ikke bare fra MSMs og Skepsis.nos side, men også fra såkalte sannhetssøkere.
Tåkeprat og svadateorier er uhyre skadelig for sannhetens fremmarsj. Hvilket ofte er intensjonen.
The result is the same; the truth is obstructed with “misleading” information. How can we tell if someone is intentionally trying to mislead us? Is intent relevant? Not if the truth about 9/11 can be obfuscated by any misleading arguments regardless of intent. We do not need to distinguish intent to show that misinformation and disinformation equally harm our ability to discern the truth. Therefore, we should equally understand and combat both misinformation and disinformation.
“Does their speculation get us any closer toward building a nationwide political movement and arresting the 9-11 plotters? Or is it a divisive strawman that will isolate us from the mainstream media and average Americans? … Suddenly it appears the controlled demolition, WTC 7, NORAD stand down, hijacking drills, war games, ‘Angel is Next’ call to Bush, living hijackers, double-agent hijackers, CIA insider put options, and ‘al-Qaeda’ links to Anglo-American intelligence are not enough. Now every researcher has their own pet theory about no planes, no hijackers, no phone calls, no Pentagon Boeing, and no flight 93 crash (they claim it landed it Cleveland and the wreckage in Shanksville was, you guessed it, planted).”
Dette er en liten liste over norske 9/11-nettsteder med dårlig info.
9/11 Truth Norway – ingen-fly-ved-Pentagon (“hullet var for lite”-teori) og
sivilingeniør med “bomber i kjelleren” isteden for squibs, etc …
Xiandos info – side med desinfo/feilinfo, ugrunnede personangrep, etc …
Rolf Kenneth – conspiratainment; desinfo/feilinfo i monn
Hoffman: I think it’s useful to put it in a little broader context… if you look at the history of disruption in [other movements] in the past, the disinformation component isn’t as large or as important as it is in the case of 9/11… articles about COINTELPRO list… infiltration, psychological warfare, harassment through the legal system, extra-legal force and violence—those are the types of tactics that were more prominent in those operations. With 9/11… the facts of the attack are so important just disinformation… takes on a much bigger component… the main [purpose of this disinformation] is to ridicule sceptics of the official story. It becomes less viable to do really nasty things like killing people… that would actually give us more credibility. That puts all the more emphasis on the necessity to muck things up by promoting false theories, bad information, muddying the waters—all kinds of disruption to create a hostile environment in which rational critique is not possible… shrouding the verifiable evidence, clear case for an inside job—a key component of the cover-up of 9/11. . . .
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — Military lawyers are seeking to delay the arraignment of five Guantanamo detainees suspected of mounting the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, alleging the government has made it impossible to defend them, authorities said Monday. . . .
“Verdens beste demokrati.” For en vits. Enda en sak MSM her på haugen ikke makter å dekke på en sannferdig måte. Det begynner å bli mange av dem nå.
A N B E F A L E S !
Miller on Global Research Radio:
“Mark Crispin Miller is a noted media activist, critic, and writer on modern propaganda, history and tactics of advertising, American film, and media ownership. He’s also Professor of Media Ecology (studies in communication) at New York University’s Steinhardt School of Culture, Education, and Human Development. He’s written numerous books, including Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney’s New World Order, Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 Elections, and his newest as editor, Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy. Miller also has an active blog site, www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com – News From Underground.”
Apokalyptiske kristenfanatikere … Du skal lyve, stjele, slå ihjel – og begjære andres olje og opium.
“Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 Election” with Mark Crispin Miller:
Mark Crispin Miller is the author of three books dealing with the Bush/Cheney administration and the dangerous conservative movement that is driving it. In his most recent, “Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 Election and Why They’ll Steal the Next One Too“, he argues it wasn’t moral values that swung the election – it was theft. In this presentation on April 9, 2006 at the University of Massachusetts – Amherst, he spoke about the 2004 stolen presidential election and the take-over of the Republican Party by religious fundamentalists.
. . . While he’s got plenty to say about President Bush’s former deputy chief of staff Karl Rove and the conspiracy he believes was cooked up to oust him and other prominent Democrats from office, he has nothing to say about his nine months in prison. . . .
Forewarned is forearmed. Election Fraud Truth has one thing in common with 9/11 Truth. The Truth. Please visit Mark Crispin Miller’s blog for more on election fraud, and news that you just don’t see anywhere else.
“This is a regime whose leaders are capable of anything. They’re capable of stealing elections. They’re capable of lying us into a war. They’re capable of letting a whole major U.S. city drown… and then do nothing about it, to this very day. They’re capable of outing a crucial CIA officer who was tracking Weapons of Mass Destruction that were headed for the United States.
What is it that they would not do?
Now, I don’t say this because I want people to freak out or stay home and lock the door. On the contrary, I say this because it’s crucial for us all to keep our heads, and have our eyes wide open. If these things take us by surprise, we are that much more vulnerable to being manipulated, pushed around… maybe with fatal consequences.
If however, we can be well aware of the nature of the people in charge, and not be surprised by the steps they take, we’ll be strengthened by that kind of preparation, and, we’ll be able to resist.
And at this point, resistance is something that we should all be thinking about very seriously.”
The irony of George W. Bush going before the Knesset and mocking the late Sen. William Borah for expressing surprise at Adolf Hitler’s 1939 invasion of Poland is that Bush’s own family played a much bigger role assisting the Nazis. . . .
Hvorfor ville ikke Bush og hans administrasjon, av alle mennesker, etterforske hvordan og hvorfor 9/11 skjedde, slik at det ikke kunne skje igjen?
Jan S. Haugland har fremsatt en “forklaring”, men den gjør bare ikke susen; “En uavhengig granskning foretatt av den lovgivende forsamlig er noe enhver president eller regjering motsetter seg, i alle land, til enhver tid, uansett tema, som en ren ryggmarksrefleks.” [http://blogs.salon.com/0001561/categories/nyttFraVestfronten/2006/09/20.html#a9669]
Kanskje enhver president og regjering burde transplantere inn ny ryggmarg? Høres ut som en utskiftning er på sin plass.
Lurer på hva Haugland hadde ment om noen som stod ham nær gikk bort under lignende omstendigheter, og Den norske regjeringen gjorde det den kunne for å forhindre en ORDENTLIG granskning?
441 dager tok det før den uavhengige kommisjonen skred til verket. Eller mer korrekt “ble presset til verket.” På toppen av det var den alt annet ennuavhengig. Eller sannferdig – I might add.
